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More on Leopard, AOL, Reuters and the Universe

Posted by timothy on Tue Aug 08, 2006 03:37 PM
from the no-really dept.
Read on for some of the most interesting comments and exchanges on a handful of yesterday's Slashdot posts (on the age of the Universe, virtual desktops in OS X, trick photography on the Reuters wire, and AOL's latest privacy gaffe) in today's Backslash summary.

About yesterday's story about a recalculation of the Hubble constant that indicates the Universe is much older than the current conventional wisdom that it's about 14 billion years old, reader Toby Haynes (tjwhaynes) writes

I love it when I see reports like this. Stating that the age of the universe is 15.8 billion years old gives the impression that this is accurate to around 1 percent or better. The error bars on this sort of figure are probably closer to +/- 2 billion years or more, implying that the 99% percentile answer is something in the range 12-20 billion years. Most of the "measurements" over the last 20 years fit into that range. There is a tendency for the more recent publications to fall into the 14-16 billion year mark and that may simply be a reflection that that is the "accepted" answer.

I actually used to work on a team measuring the Hubble Constant using Radio Telescope data ten years ago — actually the same group who came up with 42 km s-1 Mpc-1 value which caused all the Douglas Adams H2G2 references (that was shortly before I joined). There was a lot of controversy over the value of the Constant back then and it is still a hot topic. Back then, the Hubble Constant was thought to have values anywhere from 30 km s-1 Mpc-1 up to 120 km s-1 Mpc-1 . The smaller the value of the Hubble Constant, the older the Universe is. Having a smaller value was desirable because it meant that the Universe was old enough to account for the oldest objects observed (about 16 billion years old). Think about that.

One of the points that struck me then was that the value of the Hubble Constant measured tended to be higher when measured using "more local" techniques and tended to be lower as techniques using more distant measurements were used. The Radio Telescope information gave us measurements based on object around or beyond a redshift of 1 (or, to put it another way, these clusters of galaxies observed were about half the age of the universe when the light left them).

Anyway, we'll be seeing more measurements of the Hubble Constant for many more years. Just remember the error bars!

Reader habig disagrees, writing

No, the startling thing about recent cosmological work is that we do know this number to ~percent. The flagship for this new "precision cosmology" are the WMAP [nasa.gov] results [nasa.gov]. The number is weighing in at 13.7+/-0.2 billion years. Take a look at the tables of cosmological parameters in this paper and the carefully calculated error bars.

This particular press release's sweeping claims do overreach, as nicely summarized by Michael Richmond in a post above. M33 isn't at a cosmological distance, the observations being done by this project help to understand the lower rungs of the distance ladder, from which you can figure out distances to far-off galaxies and try to calculate numbers to independently compare to the microwave background fits. These results are one of many such distance calibrations, and have to be factored in statistically with the others. On the whole, several other means of figuring out cosmological parameters (such as the Age of the Universe) agree with the WMAP results within errors. You only get TFA's 15% increase if that is the only measurement you use to calibrate distances, throwing out all the rest.

To that, Haynes replies

Chewing through that paper (interesting one by the way) shows that those error bars are based on analysis of the data after processing. Therefore, those error bars on the age of the universe are assuming that the removal of foreground sources and fluctuations due to the Sunyaev Zel'dovich effect have been done absolutely correctly. No attempt (that I can see) has been made to model the errors arising from that procedure. That alone suggests that there are systematic effects which are not accounted for in those results.

I'm extremely skeptical of a lot of error bars on a lot of data. Confusion is a huge topic in radio astronomy (and I don't mean the chaotic, running-around, headless-chicken type of confusion) and I see paper after paper that really doesn't understand it, deal with it or present any full explanation of how errors in confusion analysis would propagate into the answers.





Of the several announcements from Apple's World Wide Developers Conference yesterday, the most controversial seemed to be the introduction of "Spaces," an implementation of virtual desktops for Mac OS X's next version, Leopard.

Reader bandrzej welcomed the introduction of virtual desktops, but pointed a finger at Apple for taking so long to introduce them:

About time with the virtual windows! Took them long enough...all other major *nix based window managers have them. Makes their "photocopying" comment at WWDC seem double edged, eh?

mblase has a mitigation defense for Apple's tardiness, writing

In all fairness, Leopard's Spaces implementation looks like a quantum improvement on other virtual desktop managers I've used. (Granted, it's been awhile since I tried any since I was never very satisfied.) None of the other VDMs I recall were quite "Mac-like" enough — by that, I don't mean flashy and animated, but easy to use and understand.

They borrowed some design ideas from Expose, it looks like; you can view all four of your desktops at once; you can drag-and-drop windows from one to the other; and they all use the same Dock instead of using different Docks for each desktop, which is the one thing I always wanted.

Reader CatOne mostly agrees and adds some details:

I've played with Spaces briefly; it's nice.

You can configure as many virtual desktops if you want — the default is 4 (2x2) but you can add rows or columns as you see fit. I went to 16 (4x4) and that was fine... I don't know whether 36 or heck 81 would be manageable. I'm sure it would be RAM heavy ;-)

The ability to bind applications to individual "spaces" is nice, as is the ability to dynamically drag windows between them. Clicking on an application icon automatically moves you to the appropriate space; this should mean much less (where is that damn window, it's buried!) that I still experience, even on my 30" Cinema Display. I thought this would be enough space for that to not happen anymore; all I have now is *huge* browser and mail windows.

Is it a quantum leap in virtual desktop managers? No. But switching between them is quick, efficient, and easy (you can use control-space # to go to it, or control-arrow key)... so it really just gives you a desktop space many times your actual space... that's what it feels like. None of the cube effects a la You! desktops, which is slow and mostly eye-candy-esque.





On the disclosure by America Online that the company had inadvertently released more than a half million customer search records stripped of names but not otherwise sanitized (and thereby possibly exposing individuals to snooping), reader ivan256 wants to know

Why were you ever under the delusion that aggregate data about your searches would be kept private? You don't even have an implied right to privacy when you send un-encrypted data across the internet. Not only are people stupid if they're upset about this, they're stupid if they're surprised.

Calling this is a consumer rights issue is a joke. There are no rights involved here other than ones that people made up after the fact because they were irrationally upset.

To that question, reader schwaang writes

Maybe because AOL's privacy policy says so? First because it defines Member Information to include:

"information about the searches you perform through the AOL Service and how you use the results of those searches;"

And then it says:

"AOL will only share your AOL Member information with third parties to provide products and services you have requested, or when we have your consent"

"Keep reading," says ivan256:

Get down to the part about AOL Search, which has additional privacy terms. It is implied that they have your consent unless you opt out of the data collection.

While some commenters scoffed at privacy concerns in aggregated, semi-anonymized data, reader geekotourist says it's time to revisit "personally identifying information."

When AOL apologized today, the spokesperson said'"Although there was no personally-identifiable data linked to these accounts, we're absolutely not defending this."


Back in January, related to the story on how the DoJ demands and gets ISP data, AOL had said that "We did not comply with the request made in the subpoena," spokesman Andrew Weinstein said. "Instead, we gave the Department of Justice a list of aggregate anonymous search terms that did not include results or any personally identifiable information."


AOL- you need to rethink that phrase personally identifiable, because it doesn't seem to mean what you think it means. You're hiding behind one technical definition of PII, without concern about whether or not the results actually have PII. If you're releasing results with personally identifying information, then you cannot say you're not releasing PII. I'd written in January "I question this assumption by Yahoo, AOL, etc. that search terms, by themselves, have no privacy considerations because they've been separated from personal info. What if the search itself contains personal information? Are the search companies deleting the timestamps and randomizing the order of the search terms themselves? Because otherwise I could see personal info showing up." Obviously, half a year later, they still think that replacing a name with a number takes away the PII. They need to have a talk with, say, the Census Department, about why the department will withhold data about groups of businesses in a region. Grouped data can easily become PII data if you can tease out characteristics. AOL didn't even group the data!


As always, relevant quotes from the best.essay.evar on why privacy is a fundamental human right: "If information that is actually about someone else is wrongly applied to us, if wrong facts make it appear that we've done things we haven't, if perfectly innocent behavior is misinterpreted as suspicious because authorities don't know our reasons or our circumstances, we will be at risk of finding ourselves in trouble in a society where everyone is regarded as a suspect. By the time we clear our names and establish our innocence, we may have suffered irreparable financial or social harm..."





Yesterday's post about news agency Reuters' admission that it ran a digitally manipulated photo depicting the effects of Israeli bombing in Lebanon drew more than 500 comments. Joining many others in pointing out the obvious manipulation of the photograph, reader plover wants to know "Is Reuters complicit?"

The photo was so obviously manipulated as to be laughable. Anyone who's ever used the Clone Brush tool would immediately recognize it as having been manipulated, and anyone who's completely unfamiliar with digital photography would still question the regularity of the blobs of smoke.

Sure, this photographer is at fault, and you can make assumptions about his political motives for Photoshopping this image. But what's worse is how did Reuters let such a piece of crap into the system? The guys on SomethingAwful [somethingawful.com] or Worth 1000 [worth1000.com] all do a much better job, and that's just for the glory of the contest. They're not trying to pass their stuff off as "news." Even the guys at Fark [fark.com] aren't this bad (not even Heamer :-) No, this Photoshop was of "The Daily Show" quality — comically bad.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that Reuters isn't actually looking at the images that come in the door. Even if someone at Reuters had the same political agenda as the photographer, he should have had the good sense to deny that picture because the Photoshopping was so obvious. Actually, neither conclusion is good news for Reuters at all.

Piling on one last insult, Megane writes

It was done so badly that I could tell it was clone tooled by looking at the thumbnail of the picture.


Many thanks to the readers (especially those quoted above) whose comments informed each of these discussions.

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  • Doesn't it? AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrGgggggggggggggggg gggg!!!!! Hey, that looks like a piece of cake.

    (p.s. stupid caps checker... Bah!)
  • irrelevant (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 08 2006, @03:51PM (#15869554)
    "More on Leopard, AOL, Reuters and the Universe"

    Oh, come off it, who really cares about the universe?
  • by quokkapox (847798) <quokkapox@gmail.com> on Tuesday August 08 2006, @03:57PM (#15869603)

    This is a fucking diaster for AOL. There will be lawsuits, and I'll bet you someone will die because of this (due to stalking, spouse finding out secrets, etc.). Use your imagination. This data is chock full of so much personal information, it's scary. I'm terrified that everything I've ever searched for in google is similarly logged in a data center somewhere and could be just as easily revealed but for whatever security they have in place, along with a dubious "don't be evil" guarantee.

    If you're an AOL user you need to zcat this through grep ASAP for one of your unique searches, ASAP, to make sure you're not in the dataset. They can't ever "unrelease" this data.

    This could take down AOL quicker than you can say "retention specialist". This is like Merck's VIOXX problem. THIS IS REALLY REALLY BAD. Got TWX? SELL SELL SELL. Holy fucking shit.

  • Screenshot of Leopard... (Score:3, Funny)

    by paulmer2003 (922657) <Paul@paulmer2003.com> on Tuesday August 08 2006, @04:05PM (#15869655) Homepage
    Here is a screenshot of Leopard that a friend gave me, yes, it dosent show much besides the icons, but here it is: http://paulmer2003.com/Leoparddesktop.jpg [paulmer2003.com]
    • Notice what the desktop is missing.

    • Re:Screenshot of Leopard... (Score:5, Informative)

      by adamwright (536224) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @04:22PM (#15869749) Homepage
      A more complete set of the promotional images is available at http://guides.macrumors.com/Leopard [macrumors.com]
      [ Parent ]
      • <disgusted>WTF is wrong with these guys?! Seriously... a chat app where people actually have BUBBLES over them? Freaking bubbles? Why not throw in a Pokemon too? And please... a time machine whose interface comes straight out of Star Wars? With nice
    • by samkass (174571) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @04:55PM (#15870000) Homepage Journal
      Firstly, a huge Leopard preview site is up at Apple's "sneak preview" site [apple.com]

      But I don't know why everyone's so focused on Spaces. Yes, it's a great implementation of an old concept, but it's hardly the most significant feature announced in 10.5. That would have to go to the insanely innovative Time Machine.

      Most Slashdot posters completely missed the point with Time Machine. Watch the video on Apple's site (or the WWDC keynote) to see... but a basic use case of what's cool:
      1. Open Address Book and search for a person
      2. Note that the person doesn't exist, but you knew you had them around at some point
      3. Click the "Time Machine" icon...
      4. Now Address Book appears in the Time Machine view, with the query still live
      5. Click the "Back" arrow... and Time Machine zips back in time to a point at which the query returns something
      6. Click on the record then the Restore button, and everything snaps back to the current, with the record now appearing in Address Book. No file system, calendars, or even leaving the current app involved, and the data was still directly selectable from within the current app's UI in the historical version.

      This is something that hasn't been done by anyone, and isn't really comparable to Windows' new restore feature. Doing live queries through time? All while staying in your currently open app's UI? And having the historical data directly manipulable in the application's UI? This is really innovative stuff, and I don't think it got enough love in the Slashdot forums yesterday.
      [ Parent ]
      • And yet it has the worst interface in the world. Seriously, that whole starfield thing, it's a joke right?
      • This is something that hasn't been done by anyone
        It's just a "delete doesn't really mean delete" feature. Everybody's done that. I think email was the first thing to do it, but I'm not really sure.
        • It's just a "delete doesn't really mean delete" feature. Everybody's done that. I think email was the first thing to do it, but I'm not really sure.

          No, it's more than that.

          It's a "delete doesn't mean delete and you can track down any changes to your files,
        • It's just a "delete doesn't really mean delete" feature. Everybody's done that. I think email was the first thing to do it, but I'm not really sure.

          Actually, the Trash Can in the Lisa/Mac Finder in 1983/4 was the first time I'd seen an easily recoverable u
        • It's just a "delete doesn't really mean delete" feature.
          Actually it is versioning. Something not announced during the keynote, but mentioned in part of another announcement is that Subversion is a standard part of the OS in Leopard. Time Machine is very likely using Subversion on a whole filesystem level, and with an API so that your own application can tie in easily.

          From what they said, and what the demos show I think it works like this:

          • Any changes you make in a Time Machine aware app, or in the finder do commits to a SVN repository
          • By default, at midnight and with an external drive configured as a backup drive, the commits for the day are saved to the backup drive. Probably freeing up space on the internal/boot drive so that it isn't filled up just by svn commits.
          • So it is probable that during the day you can see any changes you have made even without your backup drive online, and with the drive online you can see changes back to when you started backing up to the external drive.

          This is an amazing feature, plus having svn available system wide may lead more people to use it that may not have previously. I just started using it for a web site development project I have been working on, and while I'm new at it, and right now it slows me down more than really helps me, I can certainly see the benefits of being able to better track my changes.

          [ Parent ]
  • But we have borrowed Expose [blogspot.com] in return.

    Maybe once they have taken focus-follows-mouse (sorry, pet axe to grind [revis.co.uk] - but it triples in value with translucent desktop objects) they can also copy the rest of the cutting edge eye candy in Compiz, like the insan [wikipedia.org]
  • OMG (Score:2)

    This is the longest slashdot article I've ever seen.
    • Next you'll be telling us that chemists know more than biologists about the workings of organisms?
      • Organic chemists, yes.

        But at the very least, biologists and organic chemists share and incorporate information readily. They have to; the connection between the disciplines is obvious.

        The connection between astronomy and plasma physics wasn't until we fig
    • I tend to agree. Astronomers really have a tough time of it. Imagine being told to describe the beach while residing on a grain of sand. I personally take any conclusion about the universe with a pinch of salt simply because most of it is extrapolation. We
      • Re:On the Universe. (Score:3, Informative)

        I like your "describing the beach" analogy, but you perhaps give astrophysicists/cosmologists less credit than they deserve. We certainly do have to do a lot of extrapolation to say anything about distant stars, galaxies etc, but we do get some breaks. An

    • -1, Clueless (Score:4, Informative)

      by Stoutlimb (143245) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @04:59PM (#15870031)
      Dork, most astronomers who go to school learn in fine detail what a plasma is and how it works. Speaking as an astronomer, if you don't understand plasma physics then you don't have any right to call yourself an astronomer. Do you think Astronomy is just a bunch of lessons on how to use a telescope?
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:-1, Clueless (Score:3, Informative)

        A posting that starts out, "Dork", rated "+5, Informative"? By the evidence, any claims of persecution would be justified. However, the website the original posting refers to doesn't assert persecution, just willful ignorance. It certainly has plenty to
    • Re:On the Universe. (Score:3, Interesting)

      Well obviously then you do not know anything about Astronomy.

      I dont even know where to begin with your post. Like someone earlier said, its like you are saying that chemists know more about how organisms work than a biologist does. It is an astronomers job
    • by spun (1352) <loverevolutionary@NOSpam.yahoo.com> on Tuesday August 08 2006, @05:11PM (#15870116) Journal
      This theory buries the needle of my crackpot-o-meter. Grandiose claims: check. Delusions of persecution by mainstream science: check. Favorable comparison of the author to major science luminaries, suggesting they were on the right track, but not nearly as bright as the author: check. "Everything we know is wrong:" check. Creation of a whole new field of science out of whole cloth (plasma scientists?): check.

      The theory is that stars don't make energy through nuclear fusion, but some wacky kind of electrical process. 'Nuff said.
      [ Parent ]
      • Actually, red/blue shift is only about relative speed, and is a function of the doppler effect.

        If you accelerate towards an object at relativistic speeds (anything above, say 10% c), it becomes bluer. This is because the light waves are coming to you at a
    • Really? Opposite feeling here... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by SuperKendall (25149) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @04:26PM (#15869778)
      After all the years of owning Macs, 10.5 is the first OS release that not only am I not excited about, but I pretty much don't care about at all.

      Actually I am as excited abouit this release as anything. First of all, we don't even know about major new features they are not talking about yet.

      But just out of what has been released, while there is nothing earth shattering what there si are a lot of really impressive upgrades across the board. Being able to just define a cropping of a webpage as a gadget? Boolean searches through the Spotlight API? ToDo functionality that might actually be useful? Document versioning finally rising to ascendancy? Being able to do slideshows or help someone with a computer remotley while I can see thier face to read body language? All very, very exciting... and that's on top of DTrace being included in OS X and XCode getting some great features!

      As a user and a developer Leopard is a release with a lot of very cool things that ride atop the stable base that Tiger delivered. I honestly cannot see how someone could not be excited about this - unless of course they were an AC who in fact did not even own a Mac.
      [ Parent ]
    • How is your treatment going for your crack addiction? Did you go off your meds? Perhaps, this is a lame attempt at sarcasm? I know Spaces is a virtual windows knock but Linux window managers never did it quite as well as Apple has demonstrated. Time machin
      • Re:OS X 10.5 - Yawn (Score:3, Informative)

        I know Spaces is a virtual windows knock but Linux window managers never did it quite as well as Apple has demonstrated.


        Why do people keep saying this? Compiz does everything Apple demonstrated, just as well. Moving windows between workspaces? Just drag
        • Fanboys (Score:5, Insightful)

          by IANAAC (692242) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @06:08PM (#15870457)
          I'm not trying to troll. I'm just saying, look around a bit before saying that Apple is doing something new/better.

          The easiest way to tell if a person is a fanboy is to look at their sig. You replied to an Apple fanboy, but it could have just as easliy been a Linux or Windows fanboy.

          [ Parent ]
    • Remember that this was a very small preview geared towards devolpers, I'm sure once MacWorld roles around they will have some tricks up their sleeves. I am excited to see the stuff Novel is doing though, I really like XGL and compiz and hope to see more p
    • Re:OS X 10.5 - Yawn (Score:5, Informative)

      by nursegirl (914509) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @05:31PM (#15870233) Journal
      Remember, this is the Worldwide DEVELOPER Conference. This isn't showing everything about Leopard -- it's just showing the things that Developers might want to build upon.

      If I was a Mac developer, I'd be pretty excited about:
      1) The new iCal API, and the open-sourcing of the iCal Server (if a team to work quickly, they could have compatible clients for Linux and Windows by the release of Leopard -- take that Exchange!)
      2) Core Animation - I find myself using different apps, and thinking how usability could be increased, and the program actually simplified if there was a small amount of 3d animation
      3) RoR on the server
      4) Complex syntax in Spotlight would be useful in a thousand smaller projects

      If I were a business user, I'd be excited about:
      1) A replacement for outlook/Exchange
      2) iChat's Virtual Keynote

      And, I personally, am excited about
      1) Time Machine!
      2) Turn any website into a widget
      3) Dashcode
      4) Spaces -- yes, I of course have Virtual Desktop, but a free and simple and beatiful replacement is a good thing.
      5) iChat's Screen Sharing -- I've been trying to convert a friend to Mac, but she's worried that I don't live in the same city to do tech support. As of this spring -- problem solved!
      6) QuickLook in Spotlight
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:OS X 10.5 - 64 bits (Score:4, Interesting)

        by samkass (174571) on Tuesday August 08 2006, @09:45PM (#15871335) Homepage Journal
        So... 64-bits. All the other x86 operating systems out there seemed to have a large hiccup during the x86-64 transition. Apple claims Leopard will run 32 and 64 bits side-by-side, top-to-bottom in one OS that supports everything. Maybe I missed something. Why was this so hard to do with XP and Linux? Did Apple do something exceptionally clever? Is it their lack of required legacy support? How did they pull this off? Or was this not as surprising or significant an announcement as it seemed to me?
        [ Parent ]
        • Re:OS X 10.5 - 64 bits (Score:3, Informative)

          Apple claims Leopard will run 32 and 64 bits side-by-side, top-to-bottom in one OS that supports everything. Maybe I missed something. Why was this so hard to do with XP and Linux?


          It's not hard.. XP and Linux both run 32 and 64 bit apps side by side. The