Indeed. Which standard do you, gentle Slashdot read, want: * Videos that people want to put up, and that people want to see; or * A curated selection of videos that are best for you, as judged by your betters
We know that oppressive governments the world round demand the second option. Which should you demand?
"To know who rules you, ask: who am I not allowed to criticize in public? Those are your rulers."
Indeed. Which standard do you, gentle Slashdot read, want: * Videos that people want to put up, and that people want to see; or * A curated selection of videos that are best for you, as judged by your betters
See, but here's the thing. Irresponsible speech that promotes violence will always lead to suppression. You 4chan jackoffs knew this a long time ago, but thought that it was more important to be edgelords and have lulz than it was to be responsible. So now, you reap the whirlwind and spoil it for every
A society that can't take edgelords in stride is pretty damn useless. Maybe the answer is to realize that humor, tasteless or otherwise, is unimportant, and let is pass.
A society that can't take edgelords in stride is pretty damn useless. Maybe the answer is to realize that humor, tasteless or otherwise, is unimportant, and let is pass.
And if it had no real world consequence then I would be on your side. However, hate crimes have been spiking and it turns out some edgelords aren't really being edgy at all. Should we just take people being murdered because of these internet clowns in stride?
And that ignoratio elenchi you're peddling? Well, ready or not, open wide...
First of all, setting the argument as if it is about the "value of the victim" [wikipedia.org] clearly shows that you are scum. That you're also setting that up as a strawman shows also signs of mental retardation and sociopathy. You think that you are smarter than the average bear, but you're actually so pathetic that you don't even realize how epic your dumbness and ignorance truly are.
See... the actual issue is with the severity of the crime due to
Would you like some cock down your throat too? Aw hell, why not... It's not like I'll run out of copy/paste any time soon while you try to block me for calling you out as sniveling racist cunts that you are. Anyway... as I was saying to that racist scumbag Penguinisto up there...
Would you like some cock with that strawman? And that ignoratio elenchi you're peddling? Well, ready or not, open wide...
First of all, setting the argument as if it is about the "value of the victim" [wikipedia.org] clearly shows that you are scum. That
You've got it backwards. It's not that the victim is less valued, but that the motive was less heinous.
Consider a driver who, while texting, runs a red light and kills a pedestrian in a crosswalk through negligence / recklessness / whatever you want to call it.
Now consider a different driver who sees the pedestrian in the crosswalk, says to themself, "I hate balding people," and runs over poor baldy on purpose.
Both victims are equally dead, but the second driver deserves a harsher punishment.
Motive and state of mind have always been part of legal determinations. If I shoot you dead, the severity of the punishment will vary wildly depending on my motive, from 'I'm a dumbass who doesn't know how to handle a gun'
through 'I shot you because you punched me'
to 'I've hated you a long time and I've been planning to shoot you all week'.
As for hate crimes, the theory behind that is nothing to do with the 'value' of the victim. It's addressing the secondary effects; punching people hurts those I punch and is assault, but punching people because they're Jewish causes harm in the Jewish community, causing them to live in fear, increasing marginalization and generally causing wider social harm beyond the immediate act. This is analogous to terrorism. If I kill 10 people purely to watch them die, then I'm a plain vanilla mass murderer. But if I kill 10 people because they're infidels and I want to bring on the global caliphate then that elevates me to a terrorist, and brings with it a commensurate increase in the resources wielded against me and in the severity of the response. That's why we call it 'terrorism', the harm caused is much wider than the immediate effects of the act.
I see no reason why 'hate crimes' don't fall squarely on the standard scale. Why do they need separate laws? If we want to consider them more heinous than a similar crime / motive combination (which I'm totally fine with), why does that not simply happen during the normal process?
For example, a crime of passion might be second degree, but the same crime for bigoted reasons might be first degree.
Why do we need additional 'hate crime' laws at all?
I don't know about the US, but here in the UK, legislation does just that. 'Hate crimes' don't exist as separate crimes but as aggravating circumstances in the sentencing of already existing offences.
Good (Score:1, Insightful)
I see no problem here (except with some employees who are complaining, who should probably be fired).
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Indeed. Which standard do you, gentle Slashdot read, want:
* Videos that people want to put up, and that people want to see; or
* A curated selection of videos that are best for you, as judged by your betters
We know that oppressive governments the world round demand the second option. Which should you demand?
"To know who rules you, ask: who am I not allowed to criticize in public? Those are your rulers."
Re: (Score:5, Insightful)
See, but here's the thing. Irresponsible speech that promotes violence will always lead to suppression. You 4chan jackoffs knew this a long time ago, but thought that it was more important to be edgelords and have lulz than it was to be responsible. So now, you reap the whirlwind and spoil it for every
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
A society that can't take edgelords in stride is pretty damn useless. Maybe the answer is to realize that humor, tasteless or otherwise, is unimportant, and let is pass.
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A society that can't take edgelords in stride is pretty damn useless. Maybe the answer is to realize that humor, tasteless or otherwise, is unimportant, and let is pass.
And if it had no real world consequence then I would be on your side. However, hate crimes have been spiking and it turns out some edgelords aren't really being edgy at all. Should we just take people being murdered because of these internet clowns in stride?
Re:Good (Score:4, Insightful)
So what makes a victim of any other similar crime less valued and less harmed than the victim of a "hate crime"?
In a world where equal rule of law is supreme, motive should only determine guilt or innocence, and not severity.
Would you like some cock with that strawman? (Score:0, Troll)
And that ignoratio elenchi you're peddling?
Well, ready or not, open wide...
First of all, setting the argument as if it is about the "value of the victim" [wikipedia.org] clearly shows that you are scum.
That you're also setting that up as a strawman shows also signs of mental retardation and sociopathy.
You think that you are smarter than the average bear, but you're actually so pathetic that you don't even realize how epic your dumbness and ignorance truly are.
See... the actual issue is with the severity of the crime due to
Well hello there racist cunts! (Score:2)
Would you like some cock down your throat too? Aw hell, why not...
It's not like I'll run out of copy/paste any time soon while you try to block me for calling you out as sniveling racist cunts that you are.
Anyway... as I was saying to that racist scumbag Penguinisto up there...
Would you like some cock with that strawman?
And that ignoratio elenchi you're peddling?
Well, ready or not, open wide...
First of all, setting the argument as if it is about the "value of the victim" [wikipedia.org] clearly shows that you are scum.
That
Re: (Score:0)
You've got it backwards. It's not that the victim is less valued, but that the motive was less heinous.
Consider a driver who, while texting, runs a red light and kills a pedestrian in a crosswalk through negligence / recklessness / whatever you want to call it.
Now consider a different driver who sees the pedestrian in the crosswalk, says to themself, "I hate balding people," and runs over poor baldy on purpose.
Both victims are equally dead, but the second driver deserves a harsher punishment.
Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Motive and state of mind have always been part of legal determinations. If I shoot you dead, the severity of the punishment will vary wildly depending on my motive, from
'I'm a dumbass who doesn't know how to handle a gun'
through
'I shot you because you punched me'
to
'I've hated you a long time and I've been planning to shoot you all week'.
As for hate crimes, the theory behind that is nothing to do with the 'value' of the victim. It's addressing the secondary effects; punching people hurts those I punch and is assault, but punching people because they're Jewish causes harm in the Jewish community, causing them to live in fear, increasing marginalization and generally causing wider social harm beyond the immediate act. This is analogous to terrorism. If I kill 10 people purely to watch them die, then I'm a plain vanilla mass murderer. But if I kill 10 people because they're infidels and I want to bring on the global caliphate then that elevates me to a terrorist, and brings with it a commensurate increase in the resources wielded against me and in the severity of the response. That's why we call it 'terrorism', the harm caused is much wider than the immediate effects of the act.
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I see no reason why 'hate crimes' don't fall squarely on the standard scale. Why do they need separate laws? If we want to consider them more heinous than a similar crime / motive combination (which I'm totally fine with), why does that not simply happen during the normal process?
For example, a crime of passion might be second degree, but the same crime for bigoted reasons might be first degree.
Why do we need additional 'hate crime' laws at all?
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I don't know about the US, but here in the UK, legislation does just that. 'Hate crimes' don't exist as separate crimes but as aggravating circumstances in the sentencing of already existing offences.